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05/02/2009

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Jenny Lloyd-Jone

Why not reprimand Carol as they did Jonathan Ross. If anyone should have been sacked it was that overpaid, pompous person who is still gloating.

Matt Belgium

I fully understand the negative connotations and painful memories such a word can bring back by those who have been subjected to taunts and verbal abuse. My concern with this affair is the lack of consistency and the diminished status that sexism and homophobia appear to have when compared to racism in the context of political correctness. We regularly hear JR using the word poof or see him behaving in a sexually provocative manner towards his female guests and yet this is tolerated. We hear Jeremy Clarkson referring to cars as gay on his TV show and both get a slapped wrist. Whilst Carole Thatcher may be wrong to use the word to liken somebody to a Gollywog she has certainly not behaved in a more inappropriate manner than the aforementioned male tv presenters. Her harsher treatment by the BBC not only reinforces my own belief that political correctness and equal opportunities is not applied consistently but also illustrates that sexism is alive and well in the BBC.

Georgina Moles

The offensive term used by Carol Thatcher beggars belief that such abusive language can be seen by her to be okay in what she thought was a private setting.

She should make an abject apology and go on a aniti-discriminatory course immediately.

Name calling of ethnic or minority groups should not be allowed in any public service or private company/organisation.

Georgina Norwich UK

David Wright

Well said,it was the bane of my life through the seventys and hinderd me socialy and at work.Britain is moving on thankfully now I just have to cope with being old in Britain.

Best wishes

David Wright

Chris

And I won't be watching Carol on BBC talking about her mother - enough is enough!!

Omar Days

I agree with this article 100%!!!

Well articulated! Spot on!

Thank you!

Adam from Newcastle

I absolutely agree and find it incomprehensible that the BBC has received over 2200 protests at her firing. Apparently there are at least 2200 people who are not afraid to brand themselves, and the television presenters they want, as racists.

tse123

Overreaction, but it seems strange that she didn't just apologize for unintentionally causing offense.

Richie

Well said Amar. It's not big, it's not funny and she should have known better.

Joe Middleton

Absolutely spot on. Thatcher should be banned from the BBC altogether.

pcarmody

Interesting to note however that Jeremey Clarckson can get away with refering to Gordon Brown as a lying one eyed Scot and not a word comes from the hallowed towers of shepherds bush.

Oops sorry i forgot its ok to insult scots,welsh irish and indeed any race so long as they are not coloured at the bbc. god forbid our sensiblities are upset.I want to know why Clarckson has not been dragged over the coals by the BBC or is it because his statement has tacit bbc approval

Colin

I don't think "Wog" and "Golliwog" are the same thing. They certainly weren't when I grew up in South London in the 50's. One is an acronym, a three letter abbreviation or "TLA" for Westernised Oriental Gentleman - nothing whatever to do with black people of any culture. A Golliwog is a kid's doll. Those who called black people "wogs" demonstrated their own ignorance of culture and should be disregarded as uneducated themselves. Those who bandy the words "paki" and "nigger" are obviously more sinister and I sympathise with all members of the black community who have been forced to endure this sort of treatment. However, Do you really think that the use of the word "Golliwog" in the context that she was saying the man reminded her of a caricature of a 50's trade mark is any more offensive than when you and your fellow journalists constantly compare every political/religious/business/media leader on the planet with other, equally childish caricatures? It is a question of degree. Why don't you ask the tennis player himself if he was offended, amused or even grateful at being notable enough to even warrant comparison with a previously iconic device.

Dan

I couldn't agree more with the article.

Chris

I'm a Canadian living in the UK. I don't have the same cultural background but I do have my own cultural understanding of stereotypes Frankly, I don't understand how golliwogs can be so endeared and hold a place in the UK mindset. I see them in gift shops and on key rings. It reminds me of those USA confederate flags, still being clung to by those who long for the good old days segregation. The golliwog is a racist stereotype Why does the UK still hold on to this image? And another thing, I know really good, smart, kind people where I live that throw around expressions like “paki shop” and “paki” without concern. They say it does not make them racist. I say it does. Why does this country still hold on to these racist terms. Try using nigger or any other racist remark in North America, heads will turn and you will know that you have said something that is not accepted. But here “paki” gets chuckled at. People nod in agreement. You don't own the world any more. Stop acting like you do!

Gareth

I am white and unfortunately even to me the UK seems a very racist place.
Everyone should stand up and speak out against this kind of thing. Although the BBC management are in general a disaster at least they got this one right.

Caroline

I couldn't disagree more. Yes, the word offends the vast majority of people, but it was said in a private conversation - not the air.

Besides, she is being victimised purely for being Margaret Thatcher's daughter. Had the comment been made by someone else, I very much doubt that that person would have been sacked, nor would the case be receiving so much publicity.

And by the way, I am a white person who has spent the majority of my life living in predominantly black areas, and I am certainly no stranger to being on the receiving end of racist comments and harrassment myself. Racism isn't just one way, as you seem to think.

Gert

When I hear people like that making remarks like that it puzzles me. I can't imagine being in a private conversation, even in an all-white group of apolitical people, where such a remark would be made. I suspect if it was, people would be embarrassed or their jaws would drop open. I certainly can't imagine it being made in a workplace or a social gathering of acquaintances and strangers. At least when people make the 'coming over here taking our jobs' comments there is a scope for rational discussion.

To me, there are clear racist connotations, which Amar has outlined. That aside, I guess most of us make bitchy and insulting remarks about others or sick jokes when we're with close friends, but when we're in a more public or random gathering we temper our views and language, just out of courtesy.

It seems that when these people make these remarks they are showing that they are utterly oblivious to what generally goes as social niceties and good manners.

Roy,

Amar,

I couldnt agree more with you. I think that Carol Thatcher thought it acceptable because there were no ethnic-minorities around. When she was pulled up on it, her arrogance shone through.

To make things worse, she has the affront to say it's because of who her mother is!! This is a woman who throughout her Mother's Premiership used her name to her utmost advantage.

The fact that she refused to apologise and take some responsiblity shows a modern trait many of our politicians have....I wonder where she learned that from???

Missy

You would think that in 2009, supposedly educated and intelligent people would have evolved sufficiently to be able to treat fellow human beings in a civilized and humane manner. Well done to the BBC for taking this person off our screens.

TG

When one is at the office part one is still "at work" and behaviour is observed and judged. We all know that. It just shows that people like her who have the best education mummy can buy and from a ertain "class" still think it is OK to refer to others in this old fashioned and now offensive manner. She is the type of person who is out of touch and unsuitable, which the BBC have correctly had the balls to deal with in the correct way.

Howard Marshall

In the midst of the debate about whether a single word is in itself offensive it may be worth pointing out that the greatest verbal cruelty and humiliation can well be inflicted through quite "neutral" words. It is the intention that matters. Have we now become so "politically correct that we miss that important truth?

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